The Digital Marketing Podcast

What happens when you combine practical digital marketing experience with behavioural science? In this episode, Daniel Rowles is joined by Phil Agnew, host of the Nudge podcast and a specialist in behavioural science, to explore eight psychology experiments and principles that can help marketers create more effective campaigns, stronger customer experiences and more persuasive messaging. Phil shares the original studies behind concepts such as social proof, loss aversion, anchoring and the peak-end rule, then shows how they can be applied in real marketing scenarios, from Reddit ads and SaaS websites to loyalty programmes, pricing pages and customer journeys. The result is a highly practical episode for marketers who want to sharpen their thinking and make better decisions in a world full of noise, automation and increasingly generic content. In This Episode Social proof: why it still works, why specificity matters, and why implying popularity can be more powerful than simply claiming it Loyalty and endowed progress: how giving customers a sense of momentum can make them more likely to complete a journey and stay engaged Loss aversion: why messages framed around what people stand to lose can outperform those focused only on gains The pratfall effect: how showing a flaw, when paired with clear competence, can make a brand or person more likeable Distinctiveness: why standing out matters even more in an AI-saturated content landscape Anchoring: how the first number, comparison or frame people see can radically shape how they judge value The peak-end rule: why customers often remember the emotional high point and the ending of an experience more than everything in between Visible effort: why people value products, services and content more when they can see the work behind them Real examples from digital marketing: including Reddit ad testing, website messaging, social proof banners, pricing psychology and travel search UX Key Takeaways Behavioural science is most useful when it is translated into practical tests, not treated as abstract theory Social proof works best when it feels natural and contextual, rather than overly promotional Small shifts in wording can have a major effect on click-throughs, conversions and retention Customers do not always judge experiences rationally. They remember moments, contrasts and endings Showing some humanity or imperfection can make brands feel more credible and relatable Distinctive positioning is becoming more valuable as AI makes average content easier to produce at scale Helping customers feel progress, momentum or visibility into effort can improve engagement and loyalty Marketers should revisit core psychological principles before chasing every new platform or tool 📥 Access the show notes, tools, and links at: https://targetinternet.com/resources/8-psychology-experiments-for-marketers

What happens when clicks get harder to earn, paid media gets more expensive, and audiences spend less time engaging with static content? In this episode of The Digital Marketing Podcast, Daniel Rowles explores why gamification is moving from a nice-to-have tactic to a serious strategic opportunity for marketers. This episode is split into two parts. First, Daniel sets out the business case for gamification in today's digital landscape, where AI overviews, rising cost per click and declining organic reach are all putting pressure on traditional marketing performance. Then he is joined by Luke Santamaria from PlaySpark, a specialist in branded interactive games, to look at how brands are using mini-games, playable ads and reward mechanics to build attention, loyalty and conversion. In This Episode: Why gamification is becoming more relevant as search, social and paid media become less predictable How owned engagement can become a stronger asset than rented attention What gamification really means in a marketing context, beyond simply making things fun How progress tracking, reward loops, challenge and achievement create stronger audience engagement Why quizzes, assessments, calculators, onboarding journeys and email programmes can all benefit from gamified thinking How interactive content can outperform static pages on engagement, return visits and conversion Why the rise of AI tools and vibe coding has made it far easier to create interactive experiences at lower cost How branded mini-games can support both loyalty and acquisition strategies What Luke Santamaria from PlaySpark has learned from building interactive campaigns for retailers, hospitality brands and loyalty programmes Why prizes and rewards can dramatically increase participation and completion rates How playable ads work across platforms such as Meta and mobile gaming environments What marketers should measure when testing gamified campaigns, from play rate and completion rate through to redemption and sales How personalisation could shape the next phase of gamified marketing experiences Key Takeaways: Gamification is not just about entertainment. It is a structured way to design more engaging marketing experiences. As AI overviews and no-click behaviour reshape digital marketing, brands need to offer experiences that search engines and summaries cannot replicate. Interactive content can help improve conversion efficiency, especially when traffic is harder or more expensive to acquire. Simple mechanics such as progress bars, unlockable content, rewards and challenges can strengthen repeat engagement. Gamification can work across B2C and B2B environments, particularly when the incentive is meaningful to the audience. Mini-games and playable ads can hold attention for longer than traditional ad formats and create more active brand involvement. Measurement matters. Success should be judged using both game metrics and commercial outcomes. New AI-assisted creation tools are lowering the barrier to entry, making experimentation far more accessible for marketing teams. The biggest opportunity may be in combining gamification with owned channels such as email, apps, learning platforms and loyalty programmes. Brands that start experimenting now may benefit from a genuine early-mover advantage. 📥 Access the show notes, tools, and links at: https://targetinternet.com/resources/gamification-for-digital-marketing

In this episode of The Digital Marketing Podcast, Daniel Rowles is joined by Emma Tronson, Deputy Director of Marketing at Aston University, for a practical, honest and refreshingly structured look at how to move beyond AI experimentation and into real organisational adoption. Many teams are stuck in what Daniel calls "pilot purgatory". Everyone is testing tools. Everyone is experimenting. But very few organisations have truly embedded AI into day-to-day operations. Workloads have not reduced. If anything, they have increased. This episode explores what it actually takes to embed AI into a complex organisation with multiple stakeholders, legacy systems, risk concerns and competing priorities Emma shares her step-by-step journey of launching an AI task force, securing leadership buy-in, aligning with institutional strategy, and creating a structured framework for adoption that delivered tangible outcomes within a year.In This Episode: From career setback to AI champion Emma explains how missing out on a promotion led her to proactively position herself as indispensable by embracing AI learning Mission AI Impossible How she pitched a structured AI task force aligned to Aston University's 2030 strategy and secured budget, time and executive support. Why time matters more than money Resource allocation and protected "lab time" proved more critical than financial investment. The six focus areas model Data and analytics, general work support, copywriting, visual and creative, SEO and web, and social and community. Each task force member owned one domain. Start small and build confidence Select staff were upskilled first before launching more widely across the department. Align AI to real use cases Experimentation was always tied to live marketing and admissions challenges rather than abstract testing. Governance before scale Clear internal guidance helped build confidence in responsible AI usage. The system integration challenge Legacy systems and risk aversion slowed deeper embedding, a common challenge across many organisations. Cohort Two and scaling adoption Expansion into wider teams with three new priority workstreams: personalisation, data, and custom builds. Why AI will not replace marketing teams Instead, it will reward those who actively upskill and adapt. Key Takeaways: AI adoption requires structure. Align initiatives to business strategy from the outset. Start with a focused pilot group, then scale. Protected experimentation time is essential. Bring sceptics into the process rather than excluding them. System integration and governance are often the biggest blockers. Innovation must be baked into everyday work, not treated as a side project. 📥 Access the show notes, tools, and links at: https://targetinternet.com/resources/how-to-drive-ai-adoption

In this episode of The Digital Marketing Podcast, Daniel Rowles sits down with Kipp Bodnar, CMO of HubSpot, to discuss what may be the most disruptive year in marketing history. Kipp believes that 2026 could represent the biggest single wave of change our industry has ever seen. Weeks feel like months. Channels are fragmenting. Discovery is shifting. AI agents are entering workflows. And traditional attribution models are starting to break down. From Answer Engine Optimisation to AI agents, rising ad costs to workflow automation, this conversation explores how marketers can stay ahead when the pace of change is accelerating. In This Episode: Why 2026 may be the biggest year of change in marketing history Kipp explains why discovery, personalisation and team workflows are being reshaped simultaneously. Answer Engine Optimisation vs traditional SEO The shift from short keyword queries to ultra long-tail, conversational prompts of 40 to 60 words changes everything. Mentions vs citations in AI search Why brand visibility in ChatGPT, Gemini and Claude is more complex than link-based SEO ever was. The first mover advantage in AI discovery Early adopters can make exponential gains because competition is still low and optimisation is immature. Why AI agents are thriving in customer service but lagging in marketing Marketing problems are less formulaic and more complex, making agent adoption slower but highly promising. The practical AI workflow hack every marketer should try Record yourself completing a repetitive task, upload it to Google Gemini, and ask how to automate it. A simple but powerful shortcut to AI adoption Why attribution is becoming harder again The "golden age" of clean click-to-conversion tracking is fading as AI intermediates discovery. Rising ad costs and the need for new growth channels With paid media inflation increasing, marketers must adopt emerging channels such as AEO and AI-enabled creative optimisation. The importance of strategic conviction AEO cannot be treated as a side project. It must be embedded as a core capability. HubSpot's approach to AI and context Positioning HubSpot as the context layer for AI, enabling agents and assistants to work from real customer data. Key Takeaways: Discovery is changing faster than most organisations are adapting. Answer Engine Optimisation requires different content structures, including FAQs and machine-friendly formatting. Early adoption in AI search offers outsized returns. AI-assisted workflows are often more impactful than fully autonomous agents in marketing today. Marketing teams must bake experimentation and innovation into daily operations. The biggest risk is not AI itself, but failing to evolve working practices alongside it. 📥 Access the show notes, tools, and links at: https://targetinternet.com/resources/the-hubspot-cmo-interview-kipp-bodnar-on-ai-answer-engine-optimisation-and-the-future-of-marketing

AI is accelerating change at a pace most organisations have never had to manage before. For marketers and business leaders, this is not just another wave of innovation. It is a fundamental shift from linear change to exponential change, where familiar planning cycles, transformation programmes, and long-term roadmaps start to break down. In this episode of The Digital Marketing Podcast, Daniel Rowles is joined by Geoff Tuff, Consulting Principal at Deloitte and co-author of Hone: How Purposeful Leaders Defy Drift. Together, they explore why traditional transformation initiatives fail so often, and what leaders can do instead to build organisations that continuously adapt without losing their sense of direction. Drawing on real-world examples, behavioural science, and lessons from Geofff's latest book, the conversation reframes change as an ongoing discipline rather than a one-off event, and offers a practical way to respond to the disruption created by AI and other exponential forces . In This Episode Why AI represents a shift from linear to exponential change, and why this makes traditional planning models fragile Why large-scale transformation programmes fail so frequently, and the hidden costs they create for organisations The concept of "drift" and how companies slowly move away from their original purpose without realising it The difference between sharpening and honing, and why constant realignment beats radical reinvention How leaders can "bake in" innovation so it becomes urgent, not just important Why behaviour, not technology, is the real engine of change inside organisations The role of management systems as the invisible drivers of culture and decision-making What Minimally Viable Moves are, and how they help organisations adapt without overcommitting Lessons from Amazon and Jeff Bezos on designing systems that reinforce the right behaviours How informal signals from senior leaders can unintentionally shape priorities and outcomes Key Takeaways Exponential change makes waiting for the perfect moment to transform a dangerous strategy Most organisations drift off course through accumulated small decisions, not dramatic failures Honing is about continuous, incremental alignment rather than destructive overhauls Leadership power lies less in vision statements and more in the systems that guide everyday behaviour Small, testable moves reduce risk and keep organisations responsive in uncertain environments What leaders praise, question, or ignore can matter more than formal strategy documents Staying aligned to purpose requires constant attention, not periodic transformation projects 📥 Access the show notes, tools, and links at: https://targetinternet.com/resources/dealing-with-exponential-change-leading-in-an-ai-driven-world